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SSJ2 (Cell Games) Goku vs Super Perfect Cell
Topic Started: Nov 7 2011, 05:12 AM (6,055 Views)
Kruegs Outlandish
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  • Cell has just defeated Gohan with the Super Kamehameha from Hell.

  • Goku is dead, but after feeling like he failed his son, the earth, etc, he said f*k it and went down to Earth to avenge his son.

  • This is just moments after Gohan's defeat, and Cell is obviously shocked to see Goku.

  • Goku is pissed, to say the least; enraged beyond return, at most.
Who takes? How much energy has Cell expended? How pissed is Gokes? What are Goku and Cell pulling off in this fight?
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Kblo247
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Goku was weaker than Gohan as a mssj but not by that much IMO. Him going ssj2 would have put him close to the same power Gohan had with both arms, and especially since he is Goku, he wins.
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Cell is definitely weakened from the exertion of the beam battle, but Imo not enough to bring him down to goku's level. goku loses handily.
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the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga.

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lunar2
Nov 7 2011, 05:40 AM
Cell is definitely weakened from the exertion of the beam battle, but Imo not enough to bring him down to goku's level. goku loses handily.
As a ssj2?
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yep. gohan was stated to be much stronger than goku. as much as certain people want to dispute that, it doesn't make it any less true. gohan >> goku, even in the same form. while gohan was injured, cell wasn't even really trying with the kamehameha. that wasn't all that he was capable of. if gohan couldn't do it, then goku can't either.
list of canon sources:

the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga.

list of non canon sources:

everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality.

for those that blindly follow word of god
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Goku would easily lose this in a few seconds. Cell would lose much power by not enough to make him lose. Goku gets one shotted by cell.
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Goku owns. Cell's exhausted from that Kamehameha and completely caught off guard by Goku's return. No one else was supposed to be able to stop him, and someone who has a remote chance just showed up.

Goku's going to be relentless while Cell has to overcome the shock factor of having to gain enough wind to fend off someone:

  • who's supposedly dead,
  • who's refresh,
  • who is probably just as intimidating and fearless as Gohan was towards him, despite just moments ago, being calm and cheery even while the Fate of the World was dependent on his gamble.

All Goku needs, pretty much, is a few decisive hits before Cell can recover from that to completely throw him off his game, entirely, imo.

fighterpower
SSJ Goku100
Perfect Cell110
SSJ Gohan120
Perfect Cell (100%)165
SSJ2 Goku200
Super Perfect Cell215
SSJ2 Gohan240
Perfect Cell (Weighted)323

SSJ2 = 2 * SSJ
Edited by Kruegs Outlandish, Nov 7 2011, 07:32 AM.
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lunar2
Nov 7 2011, 05:55 AM
yep. gohan was stated to be much stronger than goku. as much as certain people want to dispute that, it doesn't make it any less true. gohan >> goku, even in the same form. while gohan was injured, cell wasn't even really trying with the kamehameha. that wasn't all that he was capable of. if gohan couldn't do it, then goku can't either.
It's all on you and I agree.
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Ok surry for not giving a reason why I don't agree.

Super Perfect Cell is stronger than Gohan. While Gohan is alot stronger than Goku. Here are numbers.

Super Perfect Cell~ 30
Super Saiyajin Gohan 2~ 25
Super Saiyajin Goku Cell Saga 2~ 14.5
Edited by Emma, Nov 7 2011, 06:22 AM.
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SMH, I'll say Goku returns and goes ssj2 he attacks. Vegeta sees that damn Kakrot come back and go to the next level and break countless rules for his son, and he flips out and goes ssj2 as well (sort of how he transformed into SSJ, when he just didn't give a damn anymore and the transformation snapped into gear)

Vegeta blasts Cell like he did with Gohan, who gets caught off guard, and Goku blasts him with the Kamehameha that is super kaioken charged for the kill? Plus Hoku has nothing to lose when it comes to using super kaioken in his dead body, and it should make a gigantic burst of power if he is ssj2

It is fantasy after all
Edited by Kblo247, Nov 7 2011, 06:43 AM.
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it's a versus between goku and cell, not goku, vegeta, and cell. vegeta isn't there, he's dead or something. goku also can't use the super kaioken, it's filler and therefore doesn't exist. not to mention he developed it AFTER the cell games.
list of canon sources:

the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga.

list of non canon sources:

everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality.

for those that blindly follow word of god
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Goku being ssj2 is fantasy. The fact is the super kaioken is a fantasy or filler move. There is nothing saying he couldn't use it then, he just chose not to much like Cell chose not to use kaioken.

The scenario said Gohan dies in the beam struggle and an enraged Goku returns. The other z fighters and Vegeta aren't dead after the struggle. They are all very much alive and unlike in the anime none of them are drained of power except Vegeta because they didn't attack cell.

Goku even being able to cross worlds is filler and fantasy at best because it has and can only happen in the movies and GT, without the appropriate approval, which he wouldn't have.

If you are going to allow for him to cross world even though you know he can only do that in filler with IT, you can at least allow for super kaioken.and even if you don't, you know well and good that the others just in a movie like hax would donate their powers to Goku after seeing Gohan die to avenge him, Vegeta last of couse, and he would find a way to crush Cell because he is Goku and that is just what he does for a living in every battle except that one
Edited by Kblo247, Nov 7 2011, 07:09 AM.
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I actually literally meant just SSJ2 Goku and Super Perfect Cell, if that helps.

I think Goku takes, given Cell goes derp at the sight of dead angry Goku.

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Edited by Kruegs Outlandish, Nov 7 2011, 07:16 AM.
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you have to stick to the versus, though. it's GOKU vs. CELL. not goku et al, just goku. you also can't give him techniques that don't exist simply because you want him to have them. the only deviation from canon is that goku is there to fight. the others won't jump in, for the same reasons that they didn't jump in to help gohan. vegeta has been beaten to a pulp anyway, even if he transformed and interrupted a versus he's not included in, he'd be useless. even at full power with a new form, he'd be weaker than mssj gohan, much less any ssj2. on top of that, if he COULD transform, he would have done so after trunks died. he didn't, so he couldn't. goku is the only one their strong enough to touch cell, and he's not strong enough to win.
list of canon sources:

the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga.

list of non canon sources:

everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality.

for those that blindly follow word of god
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Kblo247 Vegeta would not help any. His power level at ssj2 would be 8 vs 30 of cell's. Even if you put SSJ Gohan 2, SSJ Goku 2, and SSJ Vegeta 2 vs Cell at the same time Cell would easily win. Vegeta is very weak and trash. Even the super kaioken would not even goku enough boost. it does not exist and it is not in the manga canon. you have t stick to da topic. it's goku vs cell. not anything else.
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